This movement was my first encounter with the ORA brand:
Unfortunately, I didn’t have an entire watch, just a dial with the words SONIC and ANCRE A G.
The mark Co 234 next to the escape wheel made it possible to identify the movement as an ORA 234, with the help of the Flume watch movement identifier from 1962. At first glance, it is a good quality movement with a diameter of 11 1/2´´´ (French lines, approx. 25.9 mm), small second, hidden ratchet and 17 jewels. The fact is that it looks a bit better than it is, as it is a simple pin lever movement in pillar construction. By the way, the inscription ANCRE A G on the dial means Ancre à Goupille, i.e. pin lever!
Fine, but which manufacturer is behind the ORA brand? A look at the Mikrolisk brand directory provides seven possible manufacturers. Three from Switzerland, two from Germany and two from Italy. The most likely seemed to me to be the Swiss manufacturer Era Watch Co. / C. Ruefli-Flury & Cie, since according to Mikrolisk he also made movements. There was no SWISS MADE on the movement, nor on the dial. That puzzled me, but initially I stuck to the theory of the Swiss manufacturer.
Much later, a member of the German watch forum Uhrforum presented a partially transparent cocktail watch from the Modina brand and asked for the movement to be identified.
The movement could be identified as ORA 235. With 10 1/2´´´ it’s a bit smaller than the ORA 234, but also a pin lever movement with 17 jewels. It has a pseudo screw balance, so the ‘screws’ cannot be used to regulate the movement! This movement is also marked next to the anchor, here with Co 235:
What does the Co stand for? Hardly for Company, that would be banal. O for ORA would be plausible, but the C? A search in about 20 movement identifier books, catalogs and directories provided the following findings:
- O. C. = OC = C. O. = CO = ORA
- OC / CO / ORA movements are never recorded in documents that only contain Swiss movements
Again, on the Modina watch with the ORA 235, neither the movement nor the dial has an inscription SWISS MADE. So maybe not a Swiss manufacturer after all? I became curious again and started to do more research. In a young Italian watch forum called AISOR, I came across this advertisement from the Società d’Orologeria ORA di Vogt & Co from Como in Italy:
The company was also listed twice with the ORA brand at Mikrolisk. The ad said that they were producing fancy watches of the Roskopf type in large quantities. This matches the cocktail watch and the pin lever movements since Roskopf type watches usually have pin levers. A first indication of an Italian manufacturer of the ORA movements, but unfortunately no proof yet!During the same research, I also found another connection between OC, ORA and Italy in the form of a watch case back, without any information about the watch itself:
It’s difficult to read what’s written on the case back, but it says OC CAL R7. On the inside we can read ORA and MADE IN ITALY. Okay, so OC = ORA, and ORA comes from Italy! I suspect that OC stands for ORA and Como.
The final proof came from an advertisement from the Società d’Orologeria ORA di Vogt & Co in the Indicateur Davoine, a Swiss (!) Directory of watch manufacturers, from 1960:
The movements ORA 234 and 235 are shown in this ad! The company ran the same ad every year from 1960 to 1969 in the Indicateur Davoine. And before that these two can be found:
In 1977 there was no longer an advertisement in the Indicateur Davoine, but at least an indication of the existence of the company:
For the years between 1970 and 1976 and after 1977 there was unfortunately no Indicateur Davoine available. The Società d’Orologeria ORA di Vogt & Co therefore existed at least from 1952 to 1977 and the ORA 235 at least from 1955.
In a list of taxpayers published by the Italian tax authorities in 1930, a watchmaker named Oscar Vogt was recorded in Como. He or his descendants probably have something to do with the Società d’Orologeria ORA di Vogt & Co.
In the above-mentioned movement identifiers and catalogs, I could find the following movements that are listed under ORA, CO or OC:
ORA Watch Movements
Caliber | Size | Features | Verified |
---|---|---|---|
OC 1, OC1, 1, R1, 1 R, R 1, OC R1, OC R.1 (1) |
8 3/4´´´ | Pin lever, 0/4 jewels, no second, pillar construction, no shock protection, optional date (no quickset). 2 variants: à doigt (balance with finger), à plat. (balance with roller). |
X |
OC 7, OC7, R7, OC R 7, OC R7, OC R.7, OCR7, OCR.7 (2) |
10 1/2´´´ | Pin lever, 0/4 jewels, small second, optional date (no quickset), pillar construction, no shock protection. 2 variants: à doigt (balance with finger), à plat. (balance with roller). |
X |
OC 11 | 8 3/4´´´ | Pin lever, 4 jewels, no second, pillar construction, no shock protection. Small differences between OC 11 and OC 1: – Movable hairspring stud – Area around the winding stem made of plastic |
X |
13R, 13 R | ? | ||
OC 32, 32 |
? | ||
OC 71 |
12´´´ | Pin lever, 0 jewels, sweep second, optional with second stop as pseudo chronograph, optional date, no shock protection. (3) | X |
OC 120, 120, Co 120 | 12´´´ | Pin lever, 0 jewels, sweep second, optional with second stop as pseudo chronograph, optional date, no shock protection. (3) | X |
145, Co 145 | 5 1/4 x 11´´´ |
Shaped movement, pin lever, rocking bar. |
(X)(4) |
234, Co 234 | 11 1/2´´´ | Pin lever, small second, optional date (no quickset), hidden ratchet, pillar construction, no shock protection. |
X |
235, Co 235 |
10 1/2´´´ | Pin lever, small second, pseudo screw balance, no shock protection. |
X |
236 | 10 1/2´´´ | Pallet lever, small second. | (X)(4) |
ORA 13´´´ | 13´´´ | Recorded only at Ronda, possibly an error. |
(1) The movements are mostly marked with OC 1, but OC CAL R1 is written on the case back of the watch
(2) The movements are mostly marked with OC 7, but OC CAL R7 is written on the case back of the watch
(3) Differences between OC 71 and OC 120 not known. The OC 71 is not listed anywhere. All watches with this movement are marked on the case back with OC 120, but besides the balance wheel with OC 71!
There were small modifications of these movements, which can be found both in the OC 71 and OC 120.
– Modified setting lever spring
– Area around the winding stem: made of metal or plastic
– Dial side: U-shaped cutout for anchor or no cutout
– Balance cock with two curved and one straight side or balance cock with one curved and two straight sides
(4) No complete movements, only spare parts found
Verified in the table above means that I have seen real movements at least on pictures. Some movements are listed with many different names, but it should always be the same movements. With the 13R, OC 32, and ORA 13´´´ I am not sure if they really exist, because the are only recorded in a few directories.
Did ORA make these movements itself? Unfortunately, I do not know! Manufacturers usually use to advertise it when they make their own movements. The ORA movements often have similarities to pin anchor movements of Swiss manufacturers, such as Lapanouse/Rego. So far, I have not really been able to assign an ORA movement to a Swiss manufacturer. After all, the movements seem to be exclusive to ORA. The entire movements or individual parts may have been sourced from Switzerland. The Italian city Como is only 5 km away from the Swiss border!
So far, I have found the following watch brands in which ORA movements are used:
- Air Watch
- BRAÏLA
- CENTREX
- E. R. C.
- FILTA
- g
- GENIEVRE
Here the OC even appears on some watches as a logo on the dial!
- GENIS
- HITOS
- HORAX
- INDIANAPOLIS Sport
- JONAS
- LAWRENCE
Here, too, the OC appears as a logo on the dial.
- LING
- LINGS
- LOGAN
- LOINS
- MATIK
- MERIDIONAL
- MODINA
- NAVAL
- NEIL
- RAYAM
- SEKOS
- SONIC
- TANIVAS
- ZEIH / ZE IH
- ZEOIH
- ZHEUT
28 different brands and there are probably more!
In addition to the OC logo, crown and wing motifs (TANIVAS, ZE IH) appear again and again on the dials. The wing motif can also often be seen on the case back of various ORA watches.
I suspect that ORA completely built the watches of most of these brands itself, possibly on behalf of other companies. At least the watches with the OC brand with caliber information on the case back should be from ORA. However, E. R. C. watches are also available with movements made by Cattin.
Let’s stay with the watch brands LING and LINGS, respectively. With them, the difference between appearance and being is often particularly large. On the dial we see 21 PRIX, which is supposed to suggest 21 jewels to the inexperienced buyer. In fact, most of these movements don’t have a single jewel. And below the 6 we can read SYSTEM, SWISS MODEL or SWISS TYPE, exactly where SWISS or SWISS MADE is often found on Swiss watches:
A special highlight are the pseudo chronographs with the OC 120 and OC 71.
They have two push buttons with which the central second hand can be stopped and started again. Unfortunately, when you stop, the balance is stopped and therefore the whole movement stops! They also have a pseudo-totalizer at 9 that runs counterclockwise, which doesn’t make any sense. It rotates by 360 degrees every four hours. There are also variants with a second pseudo-totalizer at 3 that rotates counterclockwise every seven hours. Both are driven by the hour wheel. At first glance, the watch looks like a real chronograph, but unfortunately it has nothing to do with it!
To make matters worse, Lings watches were often offered as so-called Autobahngold (German for ‘highway gold‘) (see info box below). Unfortunately, I do not know whether ORA has already produced these watches with the intention of fraud or whether buyers have modified the watches accordingly.
At least in the latter case, they are gold counterfeits that have been turned to good faith holidaymakers.
Some people may still think today that they have a little treasure at home!
So, if you have a Lings watch with gold stamps on the case back, you can be sure to have a fake in front of you!
If one of my readers has more information about the Società d’Orologeria ORA di Vogt & Co from Como in Italy, I would be happy to hear from you!
I own a RAYAM 23 with small secound and date Bades in the OC R7.
I also got an Air Watch montre de luxe in a cheap lot of watches I bought. I thought I’d won the jackpot when I saw the CT18750. Too bad it is a “highway watch”. But good looking and intresting. Ticks very loudly tho.
Hello from Italy,
My name is Salvo and I live in Catania; Have a look here:
LAWRENCE, ORA Como, Calibro 234 Anni ’60: Una Storia Italiana.
It’s a short piece I wrote, some years ago, on KRONOS Forum.
I really appreciate Your effort on web , so, I’m thanking You.
Dear Salvo,
that’s very interesting. Thanks a lot for this additional piece of information!
I have a Lings skin diver with ORA 120 movement. The pin lever fork is damaged and I’m looking to find a new as a spare part. Found this site:
https://www.spareparts-watches.com/product/2127784/ora-120-oc-120
I’m not sure if the part nr 800 (pin pallet fork for finger) is the right part for me.
Can you tell, if different Ora movements have the same fork?
BR. Markku
I have no ORA 120 at hand, therefore I can’t tell for sure if it has a finger or a roller. But my guess is that it’s a finger. So the part #800 should be fine.
Hi Markku,
If you have not yet ordered the parts, I have a complete 120 Cal. from a Lings “chronograph”.
I can post it to you free of charge if you are in Europe. I have no use for it and I’d rather see it ticking in a watch than tose it away.
Drop me a line at buzeageorgeeugen@yahoo.com and I’ll send you some photos.
take care!
George
Thanks for the full writeup.
I found an old watch (1970-80s) with Omega branding but the same “21 prix” and a different OC CAL R7 stamp on the back.
That sounds like genuine highway gold…
Hello Andreas!
Very nice work, congrats! You must be a passionate, this investigation takes time and needs motivation! Thanks for sharing, I loved to read!
I have a Naval 23 Fellowrest with a C0 120 (with the “o” inside the “C”). Is has date, but not the pseudo chronograph. If you want me to send you pictures for your collection, just tell me!
Best wishes!
João
Hello, I write from Italy, and I live in Milan, not far from Como. Have a look here:
http://dati.acs.beniculturali.it/oad/uodMarchi/MR140144
It’s a brevet for trademark filing dating 31 October 1958.
I’ve bought, a couple of years ago, an “Air Watch” (same as in your picture) in very good conditions from a small repairer in Milan who often sell vintage watches overhauled by him. I bought it because it looked in very good conditions and I liked the little jewel on the logo. He told me that it probably was an italian micro brand of the past (late ’50s or early ’60s ) and he was right !
Nice to find this information on the internet, your website is wonderful and I just discovered it. If possible in september I’ll bring the watch to my watch repair shop and take pictures of the movement !
Hi Andrea,
that’s a very nice find, thanks for the link!
And enyoy your watch.
Very interesting . I have NEIL 21 prix. I have never seen another one before.. is it something collectible and worth keeping. Thanks
If it has an emotional value for you, then yes. Otherwise rather not.
I’ve just bought a secondhand Lings 21 Prix calendar, antimagnetic with SYSTEM written under the 6 – as in your photo.
On the back is what looks like a black enamel round ‘window’ with a gold lion beneath the clear enamel.
I can’t find anything similar online. I paid $100 AUD….did I pay too much? It’s planned as a gift for my adult son who loves vintage watches. Thanks so much
Sorry, but I never give estimates on the value of a watch.
bonjour
merci pour vos informations, superbes recherches
je viens de faire une petite trouvaille avec une montre BRAILA OC CAL.R1
ayant aucune idée de l’origine de cette montre vous venez d’éclairer mes lanternes
voulez vous que je vous envoie quelques photos pour vous présenter cette montre ?
I have a lings 21 PRIX watch if you want I can send you pictures of the watch
Dear All,
Firstly, congrats on your research and release of information on Ling and Lings watches, a greatb read!!
I collect interesting old mechanical watches and last year I bought my first Lings calendar watch, it still runs well and keeps good time and date. Then I saw a different model with a chrono device that does “nothing” and wierd mini dials? I was a bit confused to see “Ling” on the dial and no S? Then I accidentally come across your article on mysterious watch brands and it gives me splendid, interesting history about Ling/Lings and related other watches.
Really enjoyed reading your research and look forward to reading more….Excellent 🙂
What a great source of information this is…
I have a “Lings” Brass watch with date …. the back of the case has an “enamelled” Sailing Ship … very much a copy of an enamelled saliship on the back of some older Omega Seamasters !!
Your information has helped me to identify ( or at least look at …) , the OC Cal R7 movement that my watch has…
I could provide images of the watch if you would like them….. let me know
Again , thank you for such In Depth information .